WSS typing
My WSS typing by Tiago
LII
(Timestamp: 45:45)
I think the type that matches you best, as far as I can tell based on what you’ve said, is LII. So, your base function is Ti, and your creative function is Ne.
Ti
Let me explain the first ego block, the Ti block. Ti as your base function seems quite evident to me from the way you talk — it seems structured, logical, and clear. Your speech isn’t all over the place, and your interests also seem quite theoretical. For example, when I asked you to give me an opinion about what you think you could improve on, you essentially went back in your mind to a structure you had collected and found interesting. This wasn’t a structure you’d seen somewhere, you put together your own structure but copied elements from a structure that was out there in the world, and then proceeded to give me that information back. You then shared that information in a straightforward, structured manner, without an amorphous, intuitive approach. That’s one reason I believe Ti-base fits you well. There wasn't a going inwards and having an amorphous feeling-like experience, and then concluding something and telling me something that wouldn't be so literal as the way that you gave me the information. So, yeah, there's that. That's some of the reasons why I think Ti fits you well.
Ne
As for Ne as your creative function, that also seems right. You appear open-minded but not to the extent that you simply go along with what others want you to do. This is different from Ne-base people, who are often very "yes" people — they’re open to what others say and sometimes so enthusiastic about trying new things that it’s difficult to keep them at bay. They’re almost like dogs that want to explore everywhere at once, making them difficult to control. You don’t seem like that kind of person; on the contrary, you come across as calm and collected, someone who desires a harmonious environment.
I think Si as your mobilizing function fits you well in this regard. I realize I’m kind of skipping around in explaining your functions, but I just want to say that Si as your mobilizing function seems fitting. You seem to value comfort, the peace that comes from a comfortable place, a comfortable life, and a stable routine. So, Si as your mobilizing function does seem to suit you.
Returning to your creative function, Ne, I notice when you’re explaining an idea, there’s clear Ne interaction, but it’s "submissive," so to speak, to Ti. You keep analyzing what you’re saying, expanding the horizons of your analysis without deviating from the structure you’re primarily reinforcing in your idea. That’s something I’ve noticed in your speech.
Fi
So, there’s the ego, then there’s the superego. The superego would be Fi in your role function, which I can see. You seem to have friends in mind and appear to be someone interested in meeting people of similar character — people you find comfortable to interact with, even if not physically, but at least on an intellectual or sometimes even emotional level, especially through online means. So, I can see how you might use Fi, though it’s two-dimensional Fi — not a very strong Fi. It’s not really your natural mode of operation.
Se
Then, as for your vulnerable function, that makes a lot of sense to me. It’s evident in how you talk about your future. I don’t see a deep motivation coming from within; even when you explained to me what you want to do with your future, you essentially shared structured information you’d collected before.
You don’t really seem to be the type of person willing to use force to push your ideas onto others. This happens a lot in the world — sometimes people aren’t necessarily the smartest around, but they have a lot of force, so they’re able to impose their ideas on others, even if those others actually know better. The people enforcing their ideas often have a lot of force and capability to pressure others into believing what they want.
You seem to lack that kind of force. You come across as a genuinely smart person, but you don’t have that drive to make others believe what you want, whether through physical or emotional means. That’s something I’ve noticed in regard to you — not having that force to just push forward in life with a strong motivation to acquire or achieve specific things. I can sense very little of that drive in you. So, that’s enough on the vulnerable function.
Basically Se valuing (even those with low dimensional Se) are more willing to confront people. With the IEI/ILI this is often hidden, cause you most often suck at it, hence I've spent years slowly practicing.
I'm not 100% sold that you don't have this quality, because WSS PoLR Se often not only doesn't know how to do it, but can't do it, and certainly doesn't want to do it/learn to do it/have it done to them.
And I see you talk like you respect and even admire people that I think would be high dimensional Se in WSS.
But I'm not 100% on this either, and seeking Fe does seem to be a more visible part of you.
I think people often get LII in WSS because they like abstract stuff and thus don't make good WSS LSIs 😂 Which is more like an LSI-NC kind of archetype. Hence lots of SHS LSI-Ns type SWS LII, like Ibrahim, despite being quite confrontational and frankly sucking at that whole PoLR Se stuff.
Fe
Moving on to your suggestive function, which is Fe. I didn’t really notice much Fe in this interview, which makes sense since it’s your suggestive function. I tried to bring up questions to get you to talk about it, to see if it was indeed your suggestive function, and it turns out it is. You don’t seem to care much about putting on an emotional “mask” to connect with others or to have a good time. For Fe-based types, this isn’t even “putting on a mask” — it’s just their natural mode of being. They often draw attention to themselves easily, not only if they have Fe as their base function but also if it’s their mobilizing or creative function.
I can also see that you’re missing this capability, this tendency some people have, to capture others' attention and draw it toward themselves. You’re not especially interested in that; it seems to me that what you might be missing is someone to get you out of your head and bring you into a social group, to talk about things that are exciting and intellectually stimulating for you — someone who makes you feel comfortable.
Fe isn't a mask, it's genuine!
Si
Again, Si as your mobilizing function — I’ve already explained it. I kind of missed the sequential method of explaining your functions by discussing Si as your mobilizing function when I was explaining Ne as your creative function. So, I’ve already covered Si.
Te
Now, let’s move on to the Id. Right, so the Id includes Te as your ignoring function, which makes a lot of sense to me. You’re very capable of capturing a huge amount of facts about the world. For example, when you talk about certain topics, you can really pull out a lot of facts. But it doesn’t seem like you’re interested in just accumulating facts; rather, you seem to gather facts to think about things from your own perspective and build structures in your mind, creating a personal vision of what you consider correct or incorrect. It seems that forming an opinion is more important to you than using facts in a purely pragmatic way — like building a business, convincing people, or making money. You’re not really driven by the idea of applying knowledge in the external world beyond forming your own views of what is true or false, or what feels right or wrong for you.
Ni
Ni as your demonstrative function is also evident. You don’t seem to have a long-term plan for yourself. Instead, you seem skilled at collecting data, creating multiple ideas, and then funneling them down without necessarily wanting to settle on a single idea. It appears that you enjoy “taking things out of the container,” exploring one idea, then another, and then another. There isn’t a focus on narrowing things down to a single idea but rather in examining multiple possibilities. That’s what seems most enjoyable to you.
Ni is definitely four-dimensional here, and Te has three dimensions. But again, even though Ni is a strong, four-dimensional function, it’s not something you value. You value Ne, which is three-dimensional. Here’s an interesting thing about Model A: people tend to value their creative function, which is three-dimensional, rather than their demonstrative function, which is four-dimensional. For a typist like me, it’s easy to spot the demonstrative function in what people say, even though they’re often not consciously aware of using it or connecting it to a specific function. It’s very organic, in the background, but still present, and I can certainly see that here.
So, that’s my explanation for why I believe you’re LII. That does seem to be the type that fits you best. I’d be happy to hear your thoughts on my conclusion, and if you don’t agree with it, please feel free to share. I’ll gladly listen and try to clarify anything you’d like.
I'm about 60% convinced right now, which is more than I started with.
LII vs ILI
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Se and Fe
How would you compare the Se-vulnerable and Fe-seeking of an LII with an ILI, which has Fe-vulnerable and Se-seeking?
For the ILI, Fe would be the vulnerable function. Often, this leads to a noticeable aloofness in how they come across socially. This isn’t really the case with you; as I’m talking with you, I can clearly see there’s no sign of that aloofness in your demeanour. There’s also no aloofness in the way you share and engage with the flow of thoughts in your mind. You don’t show this social detachment or “social alienation” when you’re interacting like you are right now, which is often evident in people who have Fe as their vulnerable function.
Additionally, ILIs are very interested in getting away from people, people are not a huge concern to them. They may actively avoid socializing or anything related to people. For instance, they’re often not interested in researching topics remotely related to people. I don’t think that’s the case for you. You do show an interest in people, though it might not be immediately obvious. For example, when we were discussing human genetics, your opinions clearly showed that you have an interest in human development and people. I'm not saying that ILIs can’t have an interest in that, but the focus of their interest, if it’s related to genetics, is often more about the technology itself rather than on the human aspect. Most likely, that’s what they would tend to talk about in a session like this or when someone asks them their thoughts on the matter. So, that’s one reason why I think Fe isn’t your vulnerable function — it’s far from that.
And, again, regarding Se as the ILI’s suggested function, Se is the energy they’re really seeking in the world. They often need someone to come in and motivate them, because, truthfully, they’re usually not very active individuals. It’s rare to find someone with Se suggestive who is naturally very active; they’re typically quite idle — not mentally, but physically.
To give you an example, take Karl Marx. He’s a famous figure, and he was an ILI. If you went to his house, you’d see it was often full of trash, so to speak. He didn’t care about conventional tidiness — the superficial stuff like broken chairs or dirt. It just didn’t matter to him. He would even spend days on end inside, letting the days pass by, fully immersed in his internal world.
For people with Se as their suggested function, the external world can feel dead or secondary to their internal thoughts. They often need someone to say, “Hey, let’s actually do something with these ideas instead of just sitting around and being in that internal world floating through them.” This push to act is something an SLE or SEE could offer to an ILI, helping them take their ideas from theory into reality.
This relationship reflects the concept of duality in socionics: the idea that opposites attract. Duals balance each other out, compensating for the other’s weaknesses. This is why duals tend to function well together.
Ni
How would you compare Ni demonstrative with Ni base?
Demonstrative Ni happens to be in the Id block. It's a block that you don't value, but you're strong in it. It's that side of yourself, if you want to put it this way — it's this part of yourself that you're quite strong at, but you just don't value it. In the case of the Ni base, they clearly value their Ni. If it's a girl, she values hers. That's a big difference, for instance.
But it's not only a matter of valuing and not valuing. It's also, for example, how that function is going to interact with another function. So, in your case, the demonstrative Ni is going to interact with your creative Ne. What results from that is what I just explained to you a while ago. You have a propensity to not want to tunnel down on an idea or vision, but instead to have a multiplicity of ideas or even visions. Simply put, you don't want to settle down on an idea or vision. You have this propensity to always have more, more, more ideas. Tunnelling down is quite difficult; you just come up with an idea and it's like, "I'm going to have more ideas." But all these other ideas are always serving the main idea.
There would be a difference between Ni demonstrative functioning with Ne creative, and Ni base functioning with Ne ignoring. Ni base functioning with Ne ignoring would result in a multiplicity of ideas that are present but are already had with the purpose, a priori, of serving the Ni vision that is first created in one's mind.
What would that Ni vision look like?
It really depends on the Quadra. But let's just suppose, someone is an IEI, and that person wants to change society. That person has a vision of changing society to a better one and comes up with some values that he or she would like to enforce on society. So, that person has that vision, and now they're going to have a bunch of ideas about what they want to do. It's not like they're having ideas about doing different things than the one they already set out to achieve. All the ideas are aligned with the purpose of fulfilling the main idea that they had before the multiplicity of ideas that they come to have later on.
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